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Old 11-22-2010, 11:53 AM
Firedup Firedup is offline
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Arrow Measurement Canada(ISP bandwidth meters) dec 2010

Why isn't measurements Canada involved in Internet service regulation?

From the website;

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/mc-mc.nsf/eng/lm03962.html

Almost every Canadian is a consumer whether they are buying electricity to light a home, or gas to heat it, gasoline for an automobile, or meat or produce in a grocery store. When people shop or pay their utility bills, they can feel confident that they have received the amount they are paying for because businesses and retailers are required to measure their products and services accurately.

Our Mission
Measurement Canada ensures equity and accuracy where goods and services are bought and sold on the basis of measurement, in order to contribute to a fair and competitive marketplace for Canadians.
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xplornet, telsat, 1 Mbps package

myxplornet test speeds 90% of the time; 205 kbps down and 20kbps - 40kbps up. I have a 16yo in the house, we live in the FAP zone. 50,000kb and we are fapped. 10 Gb / month max

no alternative, no regulation, no one to complain to
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:04 PM
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Default So I sent a message

to the website...

http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/mc-mc.n...h_lm00011.html

In order to effectively fulfill its mandate, Measurement Canada has developed the Marketplace Monitoring Program to ensure equitable and accurate trade measurement of goods and services. Monitoring of the marketplace may range from periodically assessing and confirming that existing controls remain adequate and appropriate, to direct intervention by Measurement Canada to maintain device accuracy and enforce compliance requirements.
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xplornet, telsat, 1 Mbps package

myxplornet test speeds 90% of the time; 205 kbps down and 20kbps - 40kbps up. I have a 16yo in the house, we live in the FAP zone. 50,000kb and we are fapped. 10 Gb / month max

no alternative, no regulation, no one to complain to
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:10 PM
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Default I got a reply !!!

This is a quote from the email I received, I am not sure if it is OK to post the senders information?

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Thank you for your enquiry expressing your concerns about the internet usage measurement reported by your service provider.

Measurement Canada is solely responsible for the administration and enforcement of the Weights and Measures Act and Regulations, and the Electricity and Gas Inspection Act and Regulations.

However, these Acts are silent with regards to bandwidth measuring devices for internet usage billing. Measurement Canada does not currently regulate devices that use bits and bytes to measure internet usage, as is also the case with national legal metrology laboratories in most industrialized countries.

Thank you for taking the time to contact our agency. Please feel free to contact me if you require any additional information regarding the programs and services offered by Measurement Canada.

Sincerely,
" Measurement Canada Guy "

So I a reading that because it is not in the Act they have no teeth. I guess we are still #^@*!&. I am sure some one else has been down this road. Why bother...
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xplornet, telsat, 1 Mbps package

myxplornet test speeds 90% of the time; 205 kbps down and 20kbps - 40kbps up. I have a 16yo in the house, we live in the FAP zone. 50,000kb and we are fapped. 10 Gb / month max

no alternative, no regulation, no one to complain to
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:30 PM
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Internet in Canada(and the U.S.) is just a big circle jerk, when it comes to the Government denying that they have control over the Internet.

Even though our Internet is regulated, the CRTC denies any regulation of the Internet. That way, they don't have to deal with the angry masses who want the 'Great Firewall of Canada' to be taken down(try going to some U.S. websites and Not be re-routed to a Canadian site). The CRTC calls it a copyright issue of content. The rest of us call it Censorship. A direct violation of the Right of "Freedom of Communication".


Heres a long discussion on usage based billing. Simply, The ISP's should need to prove accuracy of their meters and also say if the meter system also includes all the traffic that is not user related(overhead). Also what is needed is a 'real time' webpage to see what your usage is.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r250...legal.-Act-Now.

With Usage Based Billing, it is designed to put out of business, the resellers on Bhellls lines. Bhell has already done DPI and throttling on the resellers traffic, which should be a privacy violation crime, since it is not Bhells traffic to throttle. But the CRTC is mostly owned by Bell, so the consumer is screwed. For people who do not know, the CRTC is a self regulating body run by the major Telco's and Cableco's. And at times, does not give a flying crap about the consumer.

Rogers hacks users connection to make lots of money, yet who can people complain too? Well not the Government, since they do not regulate the Internet, but the CRTC still gives permission to Bell and Rogers to do all sorts of stuff, that can be considered regulation of the Internet.


Then again, Xplornet has invisible caps on the Telesat satellite(now noted by Telesat users who got the letter, of being 20GB's). And are there any caps on wireless, other than the heavy throttle after a couple MB's of traffic?
Most ISP's in the States and even Canada now have 'hard caps', so the user does not get cutoff from their 'unlimited package' due to using it in an unlimited way.
A few months ago Telus raised their DSL caps on the various speed packages by 25GB's.
And Bell makes money by lowering caps and then selling 'overage insurance'.


This 'Greed' is making North America such a second world country. And the U.S. is well on it's way to being a third world country in areas.
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:41 PM
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So I a reading that because it is not in the Act they have no teeth. I guess we are still #^@*!&. I am sure some one else has been down this road. Why bother...

Well it's like where the police of Canada(and the U.S. is already collecting data without warrants) want ISP's to keep two years worth of rolling data on users, should the user commit a crime in the future. And anything you do via the Internet will be logged(data log), including VOIP and emails. Edit: And the police want to be able to access your name and account details without a warrant(even when you have not committed a crime to allow them access in the first place).

And the reason the police say they can collect the information? Well because there is no exact wording that says "Internet based communication". Even though Privacy laws and Rights And Freedoms already protect us from the 'crime of data collection' without justification via crime or potential crime.



But many people do not have the slightest idea what their Rights and Freedoms are and the government and police like it that way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Canada
For those who may not of noticed. Canada is already halfway towards the French system of 'guilty until proved innocent'. As opposed to the English system of 'Innocent until proved guilty', and innocence without evidence of guilt prevents the government or police from attacking you by looking for guilt. Then again, police roadblocks are "only" for looking for drunk drivers and not for looking for evidence of any other type of crime. http://bccla.org/pressreleases/03surreyroadblock.html




It is so fun trying to contact the government to find out who regulates what. And after a few departments, you hit the brick wall. And thats the way the system is setup. Make the people give up, after constantly hitting dead ends.
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Old 11-22-2010, 04:46 PM
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It is so fun trying to contact the government to find out who regulates what. And after a few departments, you hit the brick wall. And thats the way the system is setup. Make the people give up, after constantly hitting dead ends.

I had to reply to this! It sounds just like xplornet call center!!!
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xplornet, telsat, 1 Mbps package

myxplornet test speeds 90% of the time; 205 kbps down and 20kbps - 40kbps up. I have a 16yo in the house, we live in the FAP zone. 50,000kb and we are fapped. 10 Gb / month max

no alternative, no regulation, no one to complain to
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Old 01-07-2011, 02:36 PM
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Heres some more contacts at, "Measurement of some things and not others, Canada". As Canada still refuses to acknowledge any of the regulation it already does with our Internet(speeds, resellers, traffic throttling practices, redirects away from U.S. sites).

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r252...-to-my-Inquiry.



Luigi.Buffone @ ic.gc.ca
Josee.Millette @ ic.gc.ca
Manon.Dion @ ic.gc.ca

minister.industry @ ic.gc.ca
alan.johnston @ ic.gc.ca


People can also do a search on "usage based billing"(ubb)(on dslreports), to show how Canada is now moving further into the sewage gutter of high Speed Internet. Since you can easily hit the cap, with your high speed Internet, with only a 25GB a month, or less, cap. And thats without filesharing.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/canbroadband
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r252...e-Internet-Tax


UBB-Throughput-Meters-Can-Be-Declared-Illegal......
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r250...legal.-Act-Now.
More contacts.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r252...h-our-concerns



Edit: Telus is not going to charge for overages at this time. And the 'up to' 6Mbps package(ADSL) is 75GB per month.
25Mbps speed down and 2Mbps speed up, on the newer VDSL nodes.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,25298724


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edit: forum link to a possible class action against 'over priced' usage based billing.
http://www.xplornetsucks.com/forums/...=7838#post7838
And
http://www.xplornetsucks.com/forums/...ead.php?t=1242

Consider that ISP's may pay only 4 cents per GB wholesale. Yet the ISP wants to charge the users $2 or more per GB over the limit. And some ISP's are lowering their monthly limits, to be able to make sure the user spends, what can be, three times their monthly Internet connection base price.
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